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I wear the gloves because even after 40
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letters.

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I was convinced when we first got them
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actually evil was coming out of them.

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There's something about looking at his
handwriting.

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I can still feel it.

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Every family has secrets.

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but not like this.

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I have spent decades trying to hide the
fact that I was related to a serial

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killer.

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His name was Ted, and he was very polite
and suave.

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Ted Bundy was my cousin, and we were
really close.

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He was like a big brother to me.

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Imagine having someone you care about
turn out to be a monster.

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At the same time he was coming over to
visit me and my friend, he was killing

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girls that looked just like us.

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And I had no

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idea until one day I saw beneath the
mask.

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His eyes turned black.

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I thought this was the end. I am just
screaming, no, this can't be true.

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I was a trained Marine.

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And at that point, I'm going, I will
kill Ted Bundy.

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And then I decide there's no way he's
taking me alive.

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Serial killer Ted Bundy is just one step
away from the electric chair.

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When he was sentenced to death, I had to
face up to him one last time.

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I started writing him letters on death
row, and he started writing me back.

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Ted's letters showed a very private side
of him that he only revealed to me. The

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innermost thoughts of someone I loved
dearly, but lost the evil.

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And I've never shared them with anyone
until now.

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Dear cousin, I have no guilt, remorse,
or regret over anything

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I've done.

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So where do we go from here?

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Be good.

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I love you.

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Ted.

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I don't like being treated like an
animal and I don't like people walking

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and ogling me like I'm some sort of
weirdo because I'm not.

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You know, I'm perfectly happy with the
person I am and I've always been.

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You are not guilty.

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I'm not guilty.

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No man is truly innocent.

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I mean, we all have transgressed in some
way in our lives.

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Ted was my cousin, but I loved him like
a brother.

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I adored him.

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I adored who I thought he was.

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But after Ted was arrested, I really
started to go through anything I could

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recollect about Ted and where there
might be signs that he wasn't the person

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that I thought he was.

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And things started to come to me, just
little things, but they took on a

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bigger significance.

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One of those moments was one night when
we went to the dance club called the

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Windjammer. When we got there and got
out on the dance floor, he just sort of

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stood there rocking back and forth. He
never looked at me once.

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His jaw was clenched. He was in another
world.

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I would wave my hands in front of his
face and go, Hey, Ted, remember me? I'm

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your cousin. I'm here.

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For just one second, he'd smile, and
then immediately it would go back into

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clenched jaw, looking around the room.

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It felt like he was using me as his
tool, so that it gave him a legitimate

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reason to go to these different places.

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That must have been the first time that
I actually witnessed the mask dropping

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off his face.

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Another one was one day I decided to
drop by his place.

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And I hadn't done that before. He
usually came by my place.

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I knocked on the door.

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He opened the door and ducked his head
out and said, well, you don't want to

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come in here.

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And I thought, well, why?

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And he said, oh, it's a mess.

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He slowly closed the door.

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I just had to think to myself.

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What was it that he didn't want me to
see?

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I found out years later that he was
known to have taken body parts, even

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of his victims, back to his boarding
house.

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Families are probably the last ones to
let go of their feelings of hope.

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for somebody because they just don't
want to believe that someone they love

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that they grew up with could be somebody
completely different.

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The person that I thought I knew was
this very attractive mask that he wore,

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underneath it was this demon.

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I had avoided talking about my
relationship to Ted Bundy for 50 years.

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I couldn't even say his name without
stuttering.

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I really didn't want anybody to know I
was related to him because it was almost

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like he was some kind of a pop star or
something, and I was absolutely sickened

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by that.

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But it got to a point where I thought,
wait a minute, I don't have to keep that

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a secret anymore.

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My daughter, Ann, and I go on lots of
walks together, and right when COVID

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That seemed to galvanize me to start
thinking about Ted again. And I went,

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it, why is he coming back?

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We were taking a walk.

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Out of the blue, she said to me, I think
I need to talk about

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Ted.

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And I go, Bundy?

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And she goes, yeah.

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And she said, I can't stop thinking
about him. I've pushed it down for so

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I have to get it out of my system.

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I had never read the letters until then.

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It was so jarring and it was so real.

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I could feel her pain then. I could feel
what she'd gone through.

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This is the first letter I wrote him.

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in 1986 while he was on death row ted
all these years i've written you

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of letters in my mind only to tear them
up in shreds of frustrations however i

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feel that now is the time to say to you
what i have been wanting to say to you

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over the course of these last 10 plus
years ever since i last saw you it was

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a tremendous

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to be able to write the letters, but I
had a mission in mind.

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I wanted to help the families find out
where the remains of their daughters

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were.

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Some of the women you murdered have
never been found.

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I'm not interested in hearing excuses,
but would certainly be impressed if you

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would open those floodgates that have
been so tightly shut these past years.

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What do you say, Ted?

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It's a chance for salvation.

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In the summer of 1972, I applied to the
University of Washington, got accepted.

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I fortunately found an apartment just a
few blocks away from the campus.

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But what was a big bonus was it was just
a few blocks from where my cousin Ted

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lived.

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He had just graduated from the
University of Washington with a degree

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psychology, and he seemed like he had
such a bright future right in front of

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him. I felt much safer knowing that he
was nearby, and my parents loved it

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because it gave them some peace of mind.

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Ted had a tan Volkswagen Beetle, and we
called them V -dubs, and I often rode

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with him in that car.

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He used to drop by frequently with a bag
of groceries and a bottle of wine.

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And that was always, you know, come on
in. We were thrilled to have him there.

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Ted came to the house where we live, and
he was very calm and

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open and welcoming.

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He was attentive to Edna. He was
affectionate in a big brother way, and

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he was just very grown up.

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He would sit in the center. He loved to
be the center of attention.

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He seemed sophisticated, very literate.
He would make references to

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classic literature in a conversation.

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He was good, like almost too good.

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He would tell us all these stories about
who he had met, what he was doing.

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Ted was working at Harborview Medical
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And so he was dealing with pretty
traumatic situations, and he was

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for a suicide hotline.

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Ted told us that he wrote a pamphlet on
rape prevention for women. We were just

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like, wow, that's such noble work.

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When I think back on it, I have to
question myself, what was his ulterior

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motive? Could he use this information
later?

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Ted took credit for the sexual assault
study, even though he hadn't done any

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work on it.

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I'll bet he probably gleaned some
information, though, that was coming out

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it. Ted spent a few years working for
the Seattle Crime Commission, and he was

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privy to a lot of law enforcement data,
and he was able to see that police in

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different jurisdictions did not
communicate very well, and he took

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that.

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It was a lot of fun in Seattle during
that time.

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But that bubble of innocence that we
were all living in didn't really last

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long.

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There was an incident that took place
early 1974 where there was a woman who

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lived just around the block from Edna.

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Karen Sparks was a student at the
University of Washington.

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Someone had entered into her room in the
middle of the night, had beaten her

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pretty severely in the head, and had
sexually assaulted her with an object.

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She suffered internal damage and some
brain damage as well. She was left for

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dead.

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The next day, a roommate found her just
covered in blood.

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It's amazing that she survived.

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But it was this horrible, horrible
assault that happened within, you know,

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minutes walking distance of Edna's
apartment.

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We heard about a young woman being
attacked, but we didn't have any

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And we had no idea this was just the
beginning.

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From January to July of 1974, the King
County area was engulfed in a wave of

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fear.

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Once a month, another girl would
disappear.

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The pattern seemed to be emerging.

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Similar appearance, age, circumstances.

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These girls look like my friends and I.

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Whoever this is, they're hunting people
just like us.

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After my first letter, I hadn't heard
from Ted.

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So I sent a second letter because I was
fairly demanding and wanting answers.

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And then finally, I got two letters back
from him at the same time, including in

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that same envelope, he returned the
letters that I had written to him.

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As if to say, I needed to rethink the
way I had challenged him to come clean.

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Dear Edna, thanks for writing.

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As you said, it's been the better part
of ten years since I heard from you.

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What you seem to be basing what you said
in your letter on is a multitude of

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impressions which have been drawn from
years of being exposed to the

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publicity, the rumors, the gossip about
some character named Ted Bundy.

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Well, if you truly wish to be of some
help, then you must dispossess yourself

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all these images and know me as I am.

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He just completely dismissed what I had
said.

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I won't disregard your accusations
completely.

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I will say this much.

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I have not killed anyone.

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He claims that he did not kill anybody.

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I'm having chills right now just talking
about it, that I feel what I felt then,

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which was just like, oh, my God.

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I don't know this guy.

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People have asked me if I still loved
him, and that's a hard question to

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because I didn't love who he became.

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I abhorred that evil entity, but I had
fond memories of my

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childhood friend.

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I trusted him unconditionally.

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When I look at the part of my life which
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I might very well be looking at an
existence as one might view a prior

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incarnation.

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Ted was born out of wedlock, which was a
bit of a scandal at that time, and that

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was tough for his mom, Louise.

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And my dad was really close to Louise.

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He was her uncle, yet they were nearly
the same age.

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So when they both had kids, we were
all...

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the same age.

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My parents moved from the Philadelphia
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and my father was urging Louise to leave
and move to the Pacific Northwest

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so she could start a new life and give
Ted a chance.

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And they ended up living in my parents'
house, and it really worked. I mean, it

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gave her a fresh start.

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And Louise eventually met Johnny Bundy
and got married, you know, and then had

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four more kids.

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We saw them quite frequently.

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That was so much fun to have another
family that was close by that we could

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with.

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My father treated him like another son.

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He was a concert pianist, a composer, a
conductor.

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Edna's family traveled the world. He
would perform all over.

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And Ted saw Edna's family as being a
family that he wanted to be a part of,

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he wished he could be a part of.

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Ted was a half -sibling and much older
than most of his siblings, so I don't

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know if he related to them as much.

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He related to my brother a lot, and by
extension, eventually to me.

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I'm five years younger than Ted, but
when he would talk to me, the thing that

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liked about him was he would give me eye
contact.

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I didn't know that as a child, but he
would actually look at me.

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He was always focused on me like I was
the only person in the room, and he

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always treated me like I was special in
his life.

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He could just charm people into
following him, believing him.

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I learned a lesson from him because he
deceived me. He fooled me. He used me.

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And it never crossed my mind that he
wasn't who he came across as being.

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After my experience with Ted, for a
while there, I thought, who can I trust?

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Will I ever, ever in my life be able to
trust anybody again?

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But I was able to take that fear.

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And turn it into something positive.

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Thank God Don was already in my life.

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Somebody that was totally trustworthy
because I don't know if I'd met him

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afterwards if I would have trusted a guy
anymore after that.

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The first time I met Ted before he
started killing people, I liked him

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instantly. I thought that, you know, he
was bright.

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He was articulate.

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Seemed like a good guy.

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One afternoon, we had lunch, and Ted
said, Hey, Don, where do the Seattle U

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hang out?

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I had been a student at Seattle U.

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So I said, Well, I'll show you. So we
hopped in my car, and I took him to the

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Forum Tavern.

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We had a couple beers. I tried to
interest Ted in a game of pinball.

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He wasn't interested. He just was people
-watching.

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He was just looking around.

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And I didn't, of course, see anything
strange about that.

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Later, when I found out that Ted was in
fact a monster, I realized instantly, of

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course, what he was doing.

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He was using me to, you know, scout
places where he might be able to abduct

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women.

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I was horrified, of course.

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Felt guilty, even though rationally I
knew that, you know, I'd been duped.

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I was just hoping that I hadn't aided
him in finding a girl. But then not too

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long after, there was a lot more girls
disappearing.

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Less than a month after Karen Sparks was
attacked, another young woman was

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abducted from her bed in the University
District in Seattle.

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Linda lived here in this greenhouse
along with five other university

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She was last seen here Thursday evening
about 12 o 'clock.

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Linda Ann Healy didn't show up for work
on February 1st, and this was very

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unlike her.

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And when the police came by, they found
her bed had been made, and when they

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pulled back the covers, they found blood
on the seats.

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Linda happened to be a good friend of
one of my best friends.

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Everybody was calling each other going,
do you know anything?

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Have you seen her?

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I was in my room studying late, probably
until about almost 2, and she came in

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at about 11 .30 into my room and spoke
with me then. And then she said she was

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going to bed, and that was about 12.

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We were all scared to death.

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Then, once a month almost, it seemed
like another girl would disappear.

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And it was just fear from that point
out.

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All of the missing college girls were
white females, 18 to 21 years of age.

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We would just like to caution all young
ladies that do not leave with a

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stranger. It's unreal, and it's a
nightmare, and nothing would prepare you

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something like this.

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This was dated May 31st, 1986.

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Dear Ted, it took me a long time to
accept the fact that someone I consider

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only a close friend but occasionally a
confidant, capable of ever committing

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acts of violence you are guilty of.

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What happened to you, Ted, that you had
developed such a deep rage, a deep

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hatred, that you killed ruthlessly in
cold blood without mercy?

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After Linda Ann Healy went missing,
other disappearances started occurring

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the area.

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Donna Gail Manson was in a college that
was just outside Olympia.

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She was on her way to a jazz concert on
campus, and she disappeared into thin

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air.

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About a month later, Sue Rancourt
disappeared from Central Washington

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College in Ellensburg.

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As the girls disappeared, I became more
protective, Edna.

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She hitchhiked down from Seattle to
Tacoma, where I lived, while that was

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on. And I told her that she should stop
hitchhiking. But I was working during

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the week, and she said, well, you can't
come and get me. And I said, then we

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can't see each other.

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It's real personal. You're going, this
could be me.

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Girls were scared. Guys were scared.
Everybody was scared because usually the

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police are on top of this kind of stuff.

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And nobody can get a handle on it.

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I remember one night I heard a knock on
the door. It was Ted with a bag of

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groceries, and he had come over to make
dinner for my roommate Margie and I.

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After we eat, I put on an album.

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I turned around, and Margie and Ted were
dancing. Margie was leaning her head

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against his shoulder, and I thought, oh,
that's really nice.

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And then all of a sudden, I looked at
Ted, and...

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It was as if he had transformed in front
of me.

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He had this really intense, dark look on
his face. His jaw was clenched.

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He looked mean.

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He had blue eyes, but they had gone
black.

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He was almost shaking while he was
looking at her.

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And I was startled by this. It was like
he was somebody completely different.

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And I yelled out to him, hey, Ted,

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Ted, are you okay?

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And all of a sudden he kind of shook his
head and snapped out of it.

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And the mask slid back up over his face
and he just smiled at me. And he goes,

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yeah, everything's just fine.

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That's something that we have heard from
other people who talk about their

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experiences with Ted Bundy.

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And from what I've learned, there's a
physiological thing that can happen

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closely tied to predators.

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Wild animals in nature, when they're
getting ready to make an attack, their

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pupils dilate and just go as big as they
can so you can take in more light and

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you can see better.

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And possibly this is what was happening
with Ted.

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About six weeks after Sue Rancourt
disappeared, a young woman named Roberta

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Parks, who went by Kathy, had received
kind of an upsetting phone call that her

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father had had a heart attack earlier
that day.

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She was going to go get an ice cream
sundae to feel better.

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That's the last time anyone ever saw
Kathy Parks.

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Shortly after that, there was another
girl who went missing, Brenda Carol

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All of the young women's disappearances
were reported in the media individually.

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At first they thought maybe they were
all isolated incidents because they were

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so far apart.

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George Ann Hawkins was last seen Monday
evening shortly after midnight.

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It wasn't until after George Ann Hawkins
went missing that the public started

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to understand that these could be
connected.

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Because when George Ann Hawkins went
missing, it was also from the University

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Washington, which is where Linda Ann
Healy had gone missing, which is also

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Karen Sparks had been attacked. And the
connection there became so strong that

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it started to be in the news.

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Police in the area announced to the news
media that a pattern seemed to be

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emerging. Similar appearance, age,
circumstances surrounding

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George Ann Hawkins was the sixth girl to
go missing in less than five months.

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It was really scary because it was
happening all around us.

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There were some features that the girls
had in common. They were college age.

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They had long hair parted in the middle.
They were all American.

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These girls looked like my friends and
I. That was really unnerving, thinking,

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man, whoever this is.

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They're hunting people just like us.

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We just want to caution the young women
of our community to be overly cautious

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at this time.

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It was such an important time for women
in this country. It was the 1970s,

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women's liberation, you know, women
going to college, freedom to

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live on their own or live with friends.

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But when Ted came on the scene...

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and began killing women. A lot of those
freedoms ended for women, especially at

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the University of Washington, who
realized they had to pay attention

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It made us change our behavior. We began
to become quite fearful about walking

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around by ourselves.

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I had been working at that time at a
restaurant, and just having to walk that

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block home in the dark.

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after hearing about these
disappearances, made me realize this

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And so I had to quit my job. And a lot
of other girls did too.

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We knew that there was a predator out
there, and we were his prey.

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The ironic thing is I felt safer because
Ted lived so close.

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Ted would come over, we would talk about
this and how much we were scared, and

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he was very sympathetic.

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Oh, yeah, it's a terrible thing. I mean,
it's awful what's going on. I hope they

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catch that guy.

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During this time, my brother was worried
because our locks were, he thought,

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very flimsy.

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So he went out and bought some kind of
bolt to put on the door.

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And he wasn't alone. He came over with
Ted.

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And so Ted and I are sitting there
watching John install this barrel bolt.

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to protect us from the very monster
that's sitting in my house right at that

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very moment.

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The irony of that still gets to me to
this day.

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Years later, when these letters would
come in the mail, it was a jolt.

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I knew by his handwriting exactly who it
was.

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And I had to take a deep breath before I
opened up and read it.

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Dear Edna, you cannot know and
understand me until you let go of your

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transcend it.

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Anger is a barrier which divides and
destroys.

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Just as crucial, you cannot know me
until you know, truly know, yourself.

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He's turning it around and putting it on
my shoulders and explaining that I'm

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the one with the problem. I'm the one
with the anger issues.

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I need to, you know, examine my inner
self and find peace, love, and gratitude

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before I can understand him.

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It still hits me. I go, oh, God, what a
bunch of bull.

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When you're ready for a calm,
compassionate, and loving dialogue on

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things, write me.

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I'll be ready.

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July 14th was a really nice sunny day
and there were a lot of people that were

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going out to Lake Sammamish for the day.

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There was like a sponsored thing on the
radio, like parties that were going on.

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So it was very populated that day.

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And there's witness accounts of a man
with his arm in a

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sling going up to women and asking them
if they would help him to get his

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sailboat.

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Some of these women that he approached
told him no.

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But the nicest girl said, yes, I'll give
you a hand.

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And that was Janice Ott and Denise
Naslund.

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These two young women in one day
disappeared from Lake Sammamish.

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So, of course, we were poring over the
news trying to figure out what was going

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on there. With the disappearance of the
Ott and the Naslund girls on the same

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day from the same state park came the
first indications that a male subject

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involved.

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They had eyewitnesses because he
approached so many people and did not

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to hide himself.

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And he even mentioned his name.

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His name was Ted, and he was very polite
and suave.

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From January to July of 1974, the King
County area was engulfed in a wave of

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fear. The furor culminated on July the
14th, 1974.

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On that day, two young women, Janis Ott
and Denise Naslin, had vanished from

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Lake Sammamish.

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The day that we got the newspaper
showing the missing girls out at Lake

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Sammamish hit us hard.

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We saw a composite sketch of this person
that supposedly had kidnapped these

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women. And I remember all of us...

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You know, crowded around the newspaper.

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We spread it out on the dining room
table.

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And we were leaning over, looking at it.

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And I'm going, gosh, I wonder who that
guy is.

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Because it didn't look familiar to me.

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But, oh, my God, it says his name is
Ted.

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And, oh, my God, they say he drives a
Tan V -Dub. What a coincidence.

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But it doesn't look like my cousin.

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I thought it looked nothing like Ted.

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I still think it looks nothing like Ted.

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Almost immediately, Ted was being
spotted behind every tree, behind every

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Police followed up on all the reports
but found nothing.

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A couple days later, Ted came over and
we couldn't wait to tease him about it

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because we were sure that he wasn't
connected to it. I pulled the paper out

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I said, Hey, Ted, you've got a tan
Volkswagen.

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You don't have a phony arm brace, do
you, Ted?

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You don't have a sailboat somewhere, do
you, Ted?

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And he laughed at me.

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He said, well, as a matter of fact, the
police have talked to me about this.

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And I'm like, are they crazy?

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You?

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He was real cheerful about it. And both
of us were just like, oh, poor Ted. He's

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had to go through this.

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And he said, yeah, there's lots of V
-dubs in the state of Washington, and

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a few registered to a name Ted.

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And we went, really?

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And he said, but they're just doing
their job. I want to do anything I can

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help.

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Ted had natural charisma. He really
reminded me of John Kennedy. He just had

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this something about him.

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He was a master at hiding.

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I can only tell you what I know, and I
only know a small portion of what there

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is to be discovered.

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This much I can testify to.

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Love is the force which heals and
transforms us.

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00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:17,949
By studying ourselves, by listening to
and being honest with ourselves, we free

459
00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:21,110
ourselves to be guided by our true and
loving nature.

460
00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:26,610
He was gaslighting me. It was almost
like he was writing in riddles to avoid

461
00:34:26,610 --> 00:34:27,790
dealing with the truth.

462
00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:29,690
I had to call him out on it.

463
00:34:29,989 --> 00:34:33,409
So I followed up with another letter
after that.

464
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:40,850
You discussed love, forgiveness, knowing
yourself. Those letters I sent you were

465
00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:45,350
an exercise at being direct, Ted, which
you seem to have a hard time doing.

466
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:48,630
I want to hear your soul. What are you
thinking?

467
00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:54,210
Good heavens, how could you have gotten
so terribly in trouble if you didn't

468
00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:55,210
kill someone?

469
00:35:00,710 --> 00:35:06,550
Not long after the disappearances in
Lake Sammamish, Ted says,

470
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:08,330
I'm taking off.

471
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:13,970
I've been accepted to law school at the
University of Utah, and we went, oh my

472
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:16,610
gosh, congratulations, and we were
really impressed.

473
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:24,210
I remember feeling excited for him on
one hand, but I also felt like I was

474
00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:25,710
losing a layer of protection.

475
00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:29,230
I no longer had Ted just in the
neighborhood.

476
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,820
But after he left, the murder stopped.

477
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,060
Since the publication of the description
of the man called Ted, there have been

478
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:41,880
no further disappearances from this
area.

479
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:52,020
We kind of began to take a collective
breath of air, realizing that maybe

480
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:56,980
things had changed, and we were hoping
they weren't going to start up again.

481
00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:02,420
What do you got there, Bob?

482
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,640
Just more bones so far.

483
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:06,560
Jaw bones, as a matter of fact, aren't
they?

484
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,220
Well, one kind of looks like a jaw bone,
yes.

485
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:10,680
Got teeth in it? Yes.

486
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,840
In March of 75, we got this horrifying
news that bodies had been found on

487
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:24,900
Mountain. And we felt another layer of
dread wash over us.

488
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:31,160
There are six people definitely
identified at Taylor Mountain. Linda Ann

489
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,680
Susan Elaine Rancourt, Roberta Kathleen
Parks, Brenda Ball, Janice Ott, and

490
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,040
Denise Noslin. You always hope that
they'll come back somehow, but this

491
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:49,460
confirmed everybody's worst fears, is
that these girls came to a very violent

492
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:50,460
end.

493
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,200
The word is that you are proceeding on
the assumption that there are more

494
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,200
out here.

495
00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:00,480
Well, we keep finding more and more
every day.

496
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:08,500
My brother John had done a lot of hiking
with Ted in that exact region, Taylor

497
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:09,500
Mountain.

498
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:16,260
Ted liked to choose different places to
go, and often were places that were not

499
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:21,260
very scenic. They would be along the
back end of a housing development or

500
00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:25,240
power lines or near a major highway or
something like that.

501
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:35,220
We learned later that after Ted had been
arrested, the detective in King County,

502
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:39,080
Robert Keppel, subpoenaed John and took
him out on hikes.

503
00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:43,710
and said, take us where Ted used to take
you.

504
00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:53,290
And John did, and it was very close to
where Ted's dump sites

505
00:37:53,290 --> 00:37:54,950
were found to be.

506
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:59,490
So it seems like he was taking out
areas.

507
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:07,550
For a year after Ted left, we didn't
really...

508
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:14,260
make the association between him
leaving, of course, and that the

509
00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:15,400
stopped happening.

510
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,540
But then, for me, things really took a
really dark turn.

511
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,560
My brother lived in Tacoma in these
really incredible apartments.

512
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:36,580
One day I was going to visit him when
all of a sudden I hear a sound behind

513
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,240
And I turn around, and this guy has come
in between the buildings.

514
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:49,020
I started to turn to run, and he hauls
back and punches me in the face.

515
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,420
I stagger, and I realize that I'm in
deep, deep trouble.

516
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,800
I thought I was going to die.

517
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,280
This guy punches me in the face.

518
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:08,660
And I try to fight back.

519
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,540
He's just overpowering me, punch after
punch.

520
00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:19,980
I thought this was the end, and I was
really, really mad that this was how my

521
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:23,340
life was going to end because there was
so much I wanted to do.

522
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,620
Then he grabs me by my arm with the
intention of slamming me into the brick

523
00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:31,620
wall.

524
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,890
And I actually end up... falling partway
through a basement apartment window,

525
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:42,510
which makes a horrific noise, glass
shattering everywhere.

526
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:49,530
And when I turn around to look,
expecting another blow from him, he

527
00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:50,530
and runs.

528
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:55,490
I had black eyes and bruises everywhere.

529
00:39:56,330 --> 00:40:02,790
I started thinking about these young
women who had been attacked in Seattle,

530
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:03,810
empathy for them.

531
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:06,070
It has always been intense.

532
00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:13,150
And I wondered at that time if it was
the same guy, but then I thought if it

533
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:14,150
been, I would have been dead.

534
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:22,450
This is actually after Ted had left and
gone to Utah, but Edna didn't know that

535
00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:24,450
the perpetrator of these murders was
gone.

536
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:30,930
The man that attacked me did not look
anything like the sketch that we'd seen

537
00:40:30,930 --> 00:40:32,930
from Lake Sammamish.

538
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:34,470
He was short.

539
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:35,770
He had dark hair.

540
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:38,330
I just didn't think it was the same guy.

541
00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:41,550
They never caught the guy as far as I
know.

542
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:46,850
For some reason, as I'm pulling myself
out the window, I yell after him, you

543
00:40:46,850 --> 00:40:48,050
need to get some help.

544
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:55,170
I thought maybe he could be redeemed,
that if he got help, at least he would

545
00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:56,570
stop doing what he was doing.

546
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:08,160
But I have come to the conclusion since
then, at least with my cousin, that some

547
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,120
people are just not redeemable.

548
00:41:11,540 --> 00:41:18,000
When Edna was attacked, her first
instinct was sort of to help out the

549
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000
who attacked her.

550
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:24,670
And that's, I think, something that...
really stuck with her about these women

551
00:41:24,670 --> 00:41:29,350
that Ted murdered because they were the
ones that stopped to help him because he

552
00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:33,690
had a sling on his arm and he was asking
for people to come help him, you know,

553
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:37,190
get something out of his car or help him
with his book bag or something like

554
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:42,870
that. And I think that's something
that's really troubled Edna is this idea

555
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:48,930
they could be exploited for their
goodness and that Ted, her cousin,

556
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:50,810
as she learned later,

557
00:41:56,810 --> 00:42:02,610
Dear Edna, I have no problem with
discussing that which is referred to as

558
00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:07,710
past, but I have no interest, need, or
desire to engage in some epic recount.

559
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:11,990
No one appoints you inquisitor or
prosecutor.

560
00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:16,410
I'm under no obligation to prove myself
to anyone.

561
00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:19,450
Be yourself, Edna.

562
00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:21,410
I love you the way you are.

563
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:23,750
I would like the same consideration.

564
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:37,410
Within two months of Ted Bundy's arrival
in Utah, two young women disappeared.

565
00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:40,590
Another few young women were found
murdered.

566
00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:47,510
And then a fifth woman had been
attacked, abducted, and managed to

567
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:50,130
Her name was Carol Durange.

568
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:56,090
She broke away, made it to the police
station, and she said, this man is

569
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:57,049
to kill me.

570
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:58,970
And she described it as Volkswagen.

571
00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:04,190
And by the time they go back to check
out the scene of her escape, the

572
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:05,670
Volkswagen and the man were gone.

573
00:43:07,530 --> 00:43:12,570
No one realized at that time that a
serial killer had arrived in Utah.

574
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,520
After I was attacked, I needed to get
away.

575
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:24,700
And one of our friends heard about jobs
up in Alaska, working up in a crab

576
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:26,140
processing plant.

577
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,340
The idea of it sounded kind of romantic
and crazy and wild, and it paid pretty

578
00:43:31,340 --> 00:43:34,260
well. So we all decided to apply for it.

579
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:37,060
They worked us like dogs.

580
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:44,080
Ten -hour days next to the freezer room.
It must have been 40 degrees in there.

581
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:51,420
I was working one day on the line, and
someone comes down and says, Hey, you

582
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:52,420
a call.

583
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,240
And as soon as I clicked on, I
discovered it was my brother.

584
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:04,060
And my brother is saying, I've got some
news for you. And he's talking about the

585
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:07,840
things that are going on in Salt Lake
City, girls disappearing there.

586
00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:13,260
And then he starts tying that together
with girls in...

587
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,940
Washington State, too. And I'm going,
oh, God, what is this about?

588
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:20,940
And he said, they've arrested someone
for that.

589
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,700
And I went, okay, well, that's really
good news. I'm glad they have.

590
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:28,940
He goes, well, no, it's not really good
news.

591
00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:32,900
It's Ted.

592
00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:41,560
And I went, oh, my God.

593
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:44,660
That's not possible.

594
00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:50,120
And he said, it is. And I just,
everything kind of shut down after that.

595
00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:54,760
I just needed some air.

596
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:01,340
The whole ship is thrumming and
vibrating and I break through onto the

597
00:45:01,340 --> 00:45:04,500
outside and I am running and I'm just
screaming.

598
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,580
I just needed to get it out of my
system.

599
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:10,420
That no, this can't be true.

600
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Someone you've grown up with, someone
you trusted, someone who you felt safe

601
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,820
with could possibly have done this.

602
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:24,720
There's got to be some mistake.

603
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,720
I still get so emotional when I think
about it.

604
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,380
One of the worst days of my life.

605
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,860
So where do we go from here?

606
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:57,880
I think anybody that's related to
someone who has so much evil in them

607
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,260
you go, how did that happen to him?

608
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:07,420
Is there any remote possibility that any
of that trickled down to any of us or

609
00:46:07,420 --> 00:46:08,420
to me?

610
00:46:10,030 --> 00:46:14,330
When he was getting ready to go through
this execution, I really kind of went

611
00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:20,270
into myself, and then I started
thinking, God, what if, is there any of

612
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:22,190
insanity within us?

613
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:26,410
This is dated May 31, 1986.

614
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:34,770
Dear Ted, I hate you for what you did to
those women, children, and their

615
00:46:34,770 --> 00:46:35,770
families.

616
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,520
So many times have I wanted to take hold
of you and shake you, shake you until

617
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,720
you break down and cry.

618
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:49,580
Are you taking revenge on your mother,
on the rest of your family, on your

619
00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:52,780
biological father, on those girls who
rejected you?

620
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,100
Come on, Ted.

621
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,780
Can you stop the pretense? It appears
the end is near for you.

622
00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:03,360
I must confess to you that I will miss
my great memories of you.

623
00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:09,800
But can you come to terms with what you
have done for the sake of your family

624
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,680
and especially the families of your
victims? Will you please explain what

625
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,140
happened? Your cousin, Edna.

626
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,320
Are you angry?

627
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,280
Sure, I get angry.

628
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:25,460
I get very, very angry and indignant. I
don't like being locked up for something

629
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:27,380
I didn't do, and I don't like my liberty
taken away.

630
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,520
1975 was a turning point for Ted's life
in that he got caught.

631
00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:36,710
That was the beginning of the end,
really, for Ted.

632
00:47:37,570 --> 00:47:42,350
Utah Highway Patrol Sergeant Bob Hayward
arrested Bundy and Granger after Carol

633
00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:44,950
Durant was kidnapped from the Fashion
Place Mall in Murray.

634
00:47:45,830 --> 00:47:50,330
Carol Durant was actually put into his
car and got away.

635
00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:56,270
She made a positive identification of
Ted in a police lineup.

636
00:47:56,790 --> 00:48:00,610
And so that was the moment that he got
arrested.

637
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:07,500
They're searching his car, and they find
all of these burglary implements.

638
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:15,700
They find a ski mask, an ice pig, a
crowbar, and he's trying to explain all

639
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:16,499
of it away.

640
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:21,600
But at that point, they're saying, this
is a strange individual with some

641
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,600
strange things.

642
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,220
I couldn't believe it. Not Ted.

643
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,540
Not my cousin.

644
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:38,730
You have all this internal dialogue
going where you're going, okay, one side

645
00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:41,910
you is saying, no, no, no, this can't be
possibly true. It's mistaken identity.

646
00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:44,830
And then the other one's going, what if
it is?

647
00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:50,790
When these two sides are just warring
with each other, you're in the middle

648
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:52,310
trying to process it.

649
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:57,530
I really wanted to believe that I was a
good judge of character.

650
00:48:59,170 --> 00:49:00,810
That's not the Ted Bundy we know.

651
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,880
He grew up around our family, so we were
friends. If I needed anything, he'd be

652
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,880
there for me in minutes.

653
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:13,800
I wasn't ready to believe that he was
capable of doing this.

654
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,240
Ted Bundy banks a lot on the fact that
he did not have a criminal record, and

655
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:25,660
because he didn't have any priors, the
judge assumed that he was not much of a

656
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:28,500
flight risk, and so his bail was
reduced.

657
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,420
and he was released around Thanksgiving
of 1975.

658
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:40,080
For the family, they see this as proof
that the state doesn't have a case

659
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,100
against them. So it's even more so just
providing this evidence for something

660
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,660
that they want to believe anyway, which
is, head's innocent, he's just in a

661
00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:48,660
terrible situation.

662
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,160
This thing must have hit you like a bolt
of lightning. What was your reaction?

663
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:57,080
Complete and utter shock.

664
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,760
We still don't believe it. It just can't
be. I keep shaking my head day after

665
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,100
day, saying, how can this be?

666
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:09,560
Because our son is the best son in the
world.

667
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:20,840
The crab processing season ended at the
end of November of 75 and

668
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,840
the beginning of December.

669
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,640
So when I was ready to head home, I
needed to talk.

670
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:30,660
to Ted and hear it from him.

671
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:34,580
I wanted to believe more than anything
that this was a terrible mistake.

672
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,260
I didn't want to accept it. I needed
more facts.

673
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,080
And it just so happens when I got back
to the Seattle area, he was let out on

674
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,320
bail from Utah.

675
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,160
And he got in touch with me.

676
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,180
And I said, well, I'm going to be in
Seattle tomorrow, and I'm going to be

677
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:57,180
meeting up with some of my old
workmates.

678
00:50:57,690 --> 00:50:59,290
And I picked him up along the way.

679
00:51:01,310 --> 00:51:03,730
He leaned over and he gave me a big hug.

680
00:51:04,070 --> 00:51:07,410
He said, so good to see you. And I had
so many things I wanted to talk to him

681
00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:11,430
about. I didn't want to just start the
conversation only to have to end it in a

682
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:12,430
few minutes.

683
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:15,150
So we went to the restaurant.

684
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:17,990
There were eight to ten of us.

685
00:51:18,330 --> 00:51:22,410
And one of the guys across the table has
said, so, Ted, what's your last name?

686
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:23,830
Ted who?

687
00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:26,410
At that moment, I thought, oh, God.

688
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:33,710
At this point, the full name of Ted
Bundy was well known in Seattle because

689
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:39,030
name had become linked not only with
what was going on in Utah, but to the

690
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:41,710
disappearances here in the greater
Seattle area.

691
00:51:43,090 --> 00:51:47,230
I was hoping he would kind of just say,
oh, just Ted is, you know, good enough.

692
00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:52,330
But instead he goes, I'm Ted Bundy, and
he sounded proud.

693
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:58,920
I turned to look at him to see the look
on his face when he said it, and he was

694
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,920
smiling.

695
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,980
The young woman that crossed the table,
she recoiled.

696
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,380
The guy that asked it, he looked like he
was talking to a rock star, like it was

697
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:14,400
cool. And then I looked at him like,
this is not the right reaction. I felt

698
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,660
a ping -pong ball batting back and forth
between these different reactions.

699
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,680
And I said, we got to go, and I just
bolted out of there. He had to run to

700
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,680
up with me.

701
00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:33,440
We got in the car, and I turned to him,
and I said, So, Ted, did you

702
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,100
really abduct those girls and kill those
girls?

703
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,220
Dear cousin, that which I call the past
isn't something I fear.

704
00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:46,400
Tell me the truth, you said.

705
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,360
I have.

706
00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:50,140
I will.

707
00:52:57,740 --> 00:52:59,220
I'm alone with him in the car.

708
00:52:59,420 --> 00:53:05,900
We're driving along, and I just kind of
look at him, and I said, So, Ted, did

709
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:09,800
you really abduct those girls and kill
those girls?

710
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,460
He looks at me, and he goes, Oh, of
course not, Edna.

711
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:17,260
I would never do such a thing like that.
It's all a big mistake.

712
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:26,880
And I remember that it sounded so
genuine that I believed him.

713
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,500
And I was so relieved.

714
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,860
I was just like, oh, thank God.

715
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,120
So I said, well, I just have to run this
one errand. Do you mind just waiting in

716
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,620
the car? Because I'll just be a few
minutes.

717
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,360
And I ran into the bookstore, grabbed
what I needed, and I'm distracted by

718
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,120
commotion that's going on outside on the
street below.

719
00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:50,560
Something's going on down on the corner.

720
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,340
I get down.

721
00:53:57,390 --> 00:54:00,990
I was standing at the corner waiting for
the light to change.

722
00:54:01,390 --> 00:54:05,990
And across the street, there were crowds
of people milling around.

723
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:11,550
I saw in the center of the crowd that it
was my cousin, and he was standing with

724
00:54:11,550 --> 00:54:16,110
his arms out, eyes closed, and his head
tilted back.

725
00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:22,990
And in a loud voice, as he was rotating,
he was saying, I'm Ted

726
00:54:22,990 --> 00:54:25,650
Bundy. I'm Ted.

727
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:30,370
And I just was like, oh, my God.

728
00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:33,750
The crowd is starting to get aggressive.

729
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:38,190
All I'm thinking is, I've got to get him
out of here. So I slap my hand over his

730
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:39,630
mouth to shut him up.

731
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:44,290
We get in the car, and I'm going, what
have I just witnessed?

732
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:53,590
You know, it takes a few minutes for
things to process when you see something

733
00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:54,830
that shocks you like that.

734
00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:58,130
We're in the car.

735
00:54:58,630 --> 00:55:03,150
It's completely silent, except that my
inner voice is yelling at me.

736
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:05,270
I'm freaked out.

737
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:12,530
And I turn my head, and I look at him,
and he's just smiling at me.

738
00:55:12,730 --> 00:55:15,610
And how, oh, God, he knows I know.

739
00:55:17,370 --> 00:55:21,450
And then I decide what I'm going to do
if he makes a move for me.

740
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:25,290
I'm going to crash my Ford Squire wagon.

741
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,920
I'm going to crash it into the parked
car. I don't want to crash into somebody

742
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,660
coming at me because I'm considerate,
you know. I don't want to do that.

743
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,760
But I'm going to do it on his side.
There's no way he's taking me alive.

744
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:39,920
And I pull up in front of his house.

745
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,520
And he opens the door.

746
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:52,100
And he swings his legs out, shuts the
door, and walks away.

747
00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:55,220
And I put my head on.

748
00:55:55,580 --> 00:55:58,460
the steering wheel, and I just go, oh my
God.

749
00:56:00,740 --> 00:56:01,740
He did it.

750
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:11,120
Edna, on an intellectual, factual level
of knowing, you don't know me.

751
00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:16,840
Dear cousin, when you come to know
yourself, you will know me.

752
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,200
There is nothing that I have experienced
that you have not experienced in some

753
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,200
way.

754
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:31,660
After I dropped Ted off, I had to talk
to Don because he was my

755
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:38,020
load -bearing wall. He... I knew he
would support me.

756
00:56:41,660 --> 00:56:48,640
She came home and she told me, he's
guilty, 100%. I said, Ted...

757
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:54,920
murdered those women. He's the one. He's
the person that has been terrorizing

758
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,920
us.

759
00:56:56,380 --> 00:57:01,560
I defended him. Well, Edna, you don't
know that. Yes, I do. Well, you can't

760
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:06,740
know. I was just the devil's advocate
because it was really important that he

761
00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:12,280
not be guilty for his mother's and
father's sake and his brother's and

762
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,280
you know.

763
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,600
But once she told me all that she saw
that day, I went, he's guilty.

764
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,300
I was still in shock at that point.

765
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,820
And I questioned everything that I knew
about him and wondered, had he ever been

766
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:36,220
telling me the truth about himself? And
then I started thinking about some

767
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:41,360
instances that might have stood out that
I hadn't really noticed before.

768
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:48,240
There was that time that he was over and
he was dancing with Margie, and oh my

769
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,400
gosh, and the look on his face. I wonder
if that was a sign.

770
00:57:55,220 --> 00:58:01,560
Thinking about going dancing with him
and how he was looking at everybody on

771
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,560
dance floor.

772
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,340
And those things started really taking
on a whole new meaning at that time.

773
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,680
We all pray and hope there are signs.

774
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:26,860
But at the time, the signs that I saw
didn't add up to anything significant

775
00:58:26,860 --> 00:58:28,260
enough for me to be concerned.

776
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:33,300
And if that's the case, that's truly
horrific.

777
00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:38,360
Because then anyone could be a monster.

778
00:58:43,050 --> 00:58:46,630
My life in the idea of time is divided
into two eras.

779
00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:52,950
B .C., before court and cops, and A .D.,
after damnation.

780
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:57,910
One life ended and another began once I
began living in prison.

781
00:59:01,930 --> 00:59:05,790
Ted Bundy was convicted of aggravated
kidnapping.

782
00:59:06,570 --> 00:59:10,390
Initially, he was charged with attempted
homicide, but they decided there was

783
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:14,490
not evidence of an intent to kill Carol
Durant.

784
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:19,450
Ultimately, he was given between 1 to 15
years at the Utah State Prison for the

785
00:59:19,450 --> 00:59:20,450
kidnapping charge.

786
00:59:21,870 --> 00:59:22,870
Attempted kidnapping.

787
00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:25,890
It was a hard thing for the family to
accept.

788
00:59:27,290 --> 00:59:32,430
My parents were not quite where I was or
where Don was on our realization that

789
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:34,170
Ted had committed these crimes.

790
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,660
We didn't force it on them because it's
just too hard.

791
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:46,100
Sweet old people, they know it's going
to devastate Ted's mom and dad and ruin

792
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:49,160
his family, which it pretty much did.

793
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:58,080
A lot of momentous things happened in my
life after that moment on the street

794
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,140
corner with Ted Bundy.

795
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,260
Don and I got married in June of 1976.

796
01:00:05,180 --> 01:00:08,500
And then the following year, we had our
daughter, Anna.

797
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,460
Our life completely changed.

798
01:00:12,820 --> 01:00:17,880
She was a new beginning, and it wasn't
about him, it was about her.

799
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:24,320
We were new parents, foraging forward,
with a lot of other things on our mind

800
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:30,640
besides Ted Bundy. He was in the
background, for sure, but he never quite

801
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,640
away.

802
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,980
Convicted kidnapper Theodore Bundy is on
his way to Aspen, Colorado, where he

803
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:40,020
will stand trial for first -degree
murder. Bundy is accused of murdering

804
01:00:40,020 --> 01:00:41,380
Campbell of Dearborn, Michigan.

805
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:44,360
She was vacationing in Aspen at the time
of her death.

806
01:00:45,740 --> 01:00:51,580
They started to suspect that he might be
responsible for additional abductions

807
01:00:51,580 --> 01:00:52,840
and disappearances in Colorado.

808
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:59,600
They found gas receipts close to where
some of these abductions had taken

809
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:06,620
And they extradited him to Colorado so
that he could face a trial there.

810
01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:10,900
Bundy spends his life inside this 16
-cell county jail.

811
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:16,000
He gets up at 6 .30 in the morning,
walks, he says, about two miles a day,

812
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,080
pacing a cell.

813
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,600
But he spends most of his time preparing
his defense.

814
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,220
When I heard he was defending himself, I
wasn't surprised.

815
01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:32,400
He was so full of hubris and loved to be
the center of attention that it didn't

816
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,420
surprise me, but I thought it was
extremely foolish.

817
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:38,180
He was not really helping his chances of
walking free.

818
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,980
But he had his own solution to that in
Colorado.

819
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:50,240
On December 30th of 1977, the phone
rings.

820
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,340
And a very familiar voice was on the
other end of that.

821
01:01:55,660 --> 01:02:02,180
call and it was my cousin ted bundy and
i went wow oh well

822
01:02:02,180 --> 01:02:09,000
you know how are you not really knowing
what to say you know so we talked a

823
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,380
little bit of family talk for a few
minutes and then he said hey i've got a

824
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:20,000
question to ask you what would you think
if if i escaped and i said what

825
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,560
i said well that would be a very bad
idea

826
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,640
I was thinking, he's just yanking my
chain. I'm sure that they're listening

827
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,180
on this conversation, and he's probably
doing it not only to, you know, get to

828
01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:36,780
me, but also to really drive his keepers
crazy.

829
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,020
And shortly after that, we ended the
conversation.

830
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:48,980
I called my brother the next day and
said, you can't even believe this.

831
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,440
And John said, he called me and asked me
the same question.

832
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,960
He says, well, and he also asked me
another question. What were the worst

833
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:58,960
for the death penalty?

834
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:05,080
I told him, most likely Texas and
Florida would be the worst.

835
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:14,380
The phone call from Ted happened on
December 30th. On the morning of January

836
01:03:14,380 --> 01:03:21,280
1st, we were awakened very early in the
morning by pounding on the door.

837
01:03:23,050 --> 01:03:28,670
And we heard these people outside kind
of yelling, FBI, and all of a sudden we

838
01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:33,130
just both woke up. Our eyes just popped
open going, oh my God, why is the FBI

839
01:03:33,130 --> 01:03:37,510
here? Convicted kidnapper Theodore Bundy
has escaped from jail in Colorado.

840
01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:41,680
Bundy fled the Garfield County Jail in
Glenwood Springs.

841
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,500
Bundy's escape bordered on a Houdini
escapade. The 5 '11", 145 -pound former

842
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:52,600
student ripped out a light fixture and
then maneuvered himself up through a 12

843
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,500
-inch by 12 -inch hole in the ceiling.

844
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,500
The sheriff says Bundy then crawled
along the attic and dropped down into

845
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:03,680
empty jailer's office, grabbed two guns,
and walked out the door.

846
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,460
The guns were later found, but Bundy was
not.

847
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,900
By the time they got to us, he'd been
gone for a while, and it occurred to us

848
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:18,780
that he could be getting close to us and
that Edna was a likely place to come.

849
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:27,220
They knew that I had talked to him just
36 hours prior to that, and they came

850
01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:31,360
out pretty strong about that we better
not aid and abet him in any way, and we

851
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,320
tried to reassure him that we had no
intention of helping him out, and that

852
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,330
made us... Really nervous.

853
01:04:39,870 --> 01:04:44,450
I said, I'll do everything in my power
to stop him. I was a trained Marine.

854
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:45,910
We were trained to kill.

855
01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:52,830
I fortified the house, and at that point
I'm going, if he shows up on my

856
01:04:52,830 --> 01:04:54,530
property, I will kill Ted Bundy.

857
01:05:00,410 --> 01:05:04,650
Wherever he may be, Bundy is now on the
FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.

858
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:09,190
The search reaches all over the West
right now and the East Coast, Canada,

859
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:12,170
Mexico. Dozens of leads are coming in,
but so far nothing solid.

860
01:05:12,450 --> 01:05:16,270
Some officers feel it's going to be a
long time before Theodore Bundy is

861
01:05:16,270 --> 01:05:17,270
bars again.

862
01:05:19,230 --> 01:05:24,430
My cousin, Ted Bundy, had again intruded
into my world.

863
01:05:26,050 --> 01:05:31,290
He escaped from his jail in Colorado,
and we were on high alert up in

864
01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:35,020
Washington. wondering if he had come
this way and he was hiding out and just

865
01:05:35,020 --> 01:05:36,580
waiting to come by.

866
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,000
He wouldn't have called me and played
with me like that if he didn't have some

867
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,360
kind of plan, is what I thought.

868
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,340
It seemed like he was coming after me.

869
01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:51,080
I was feeling the part of a prey animal
that I was being hunted.

870
01:05:54,840 --> 01:06:00,370
Weeks passed, and weeks of us...
checking the papers, looking for

871
01:06:00,370 --> 01:06:06,210
what had happened to Ted Bundy. We were
wondering if he was alive, dead. We

872
01:06:06,210 --> 01:06:06,948
didn't know.

873
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:10,690
And then a huge news story hit the air.

874
01:06:12,270 --> 01:06:16,490
Theodore Bundy was arrested on Wednesday
while driving a stolen car. But

875
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:20,970
yesterday it was discovered he was on
the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. Bundy is

876
01:06:20,970 --> 01:06:25,930
prison escapee who's suspected of 36
rape murders in several western states.

877
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:32,840
Florida, one of the states that my
brother told him, was one of the worst

878
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,180
to go to because of the death penalty.

879
01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:38,040
And that's where he was arrested.

880
01:06:39,380 --> 01:06:42,380
I couldn't help wonder if he indeed had
a death wish.

881
01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:46,560
I was really relieved that they had
caught him.

882
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,020
But then that relief turned to another
level of horror.

883
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,240
He had killed again.

884
01:06:57,770 --> 01:07:01,590
Last night we told you about a most
brutal and a savage crime on the Florida

885
01:07:01,590 --> 01:07:05,330
State University campus. A couple of
young coeds were killed in their sleep,

886
01:07:05,410 --> 01:07:09,390
beaten and strangled. Three others were
beaten near death, but they seem to be

887
01:07:09,390 --> 01:07:10,390
pulling through.

888
01:07:10,510 --> 01:07:17,070
The killings in Florida were big, angry,
huge, explosive, loud.

889
01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:24,090
They were nearly the opposite of how he
had done things in the Northwest.

890
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:31,200
before it was a lot more surgical it was
one at a time it was more calculated in

891
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:38,000
florida it was just like a rampage he
broke into the chi omega sorority house

892
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:44,080
at night and he just went through the
room attacking and assaulting sorority

893
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:50,600
women He wasn't even trying to be
discreet. It was as if that time that he

894
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:55,640
incarcerated, he was just building up
all this pressure and that he needed to

895
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:56,760
release it.

896
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:04,420
He got out somehow uncaught, and he is
still at large.

897
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:11,420
But he stays in Florida, and weeks
later, he abducts and murders 12

898
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:12,680
-year -old Kimberly Leach.

899
01:08:16,140 --> 01:08:22,899
Ted went to trial twice for the murders
in Florida. The first trial was for the

900
01:08:22,899 --> 01:08:28,660
murders of Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levy
at Chi Omega. A few months later, he

901
01:08:28,660 --> 01:08:33,279
was put on trial in Miami, Florida, for
the murder of 12 -year -old Kimberly

902
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:40,060
Leach, who he had dumped in a pigsty and
left for

903
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:41,479
several months before she was found.

904
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,319
At times, Bundy is turning into his own
defense lawyer for cross -examination,

905
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,920
but prosecutors have left little doubt
about the horrible nature of the crimes

906
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,340
they say Bundy committed.

907
01:08:52,779 --> 01:08:58,720
When I was watching him in the courtroom
on television and he raised up his

908
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:04,760
arms, chills ran through my body because
it hearkened back to that day on the

909
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,620
corner when he had raised his arms
saying, I'm Ted Bundy. I thought, there

910
01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:10,500
is. He's basking in the glory.

911
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:15,620
He was a media god, and he thought, this
is where I need to be.

912
01:09:19,660 --> 01:09:25,560
He undercut any serious legal claims he
might have been able to make.

913
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:32,399
His questions weren't well thought out.
I think it was a ploy and just a game.

914
01:09:37,939 --> 01:09:38,939
Finally,

915
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,399
the announcement came.

916
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,600
He was going to be executed. There was
no way out for him.

917
01:09:50,380 --> 01:09:56,060
It was an awful moment because you have
all these thoughts about the person that

918
01:09:56,060 --> 01:10:00,720
you thought you knew and the love and
affection that never goes away.

919
01:10:02,380 --> 01:10:05,580
And now you have to replace it with this
other person.

920
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:13,500
I can't understand how he could be so
kind and so sweet and attentive to me

921
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:19,500
and then turn around and do what he did
to girls who look like me. Just

922
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,360
horrific, evil things.

923
01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:25,180
Violent, painfully violent things that
he did to them.

924
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:29,460
I was so revolted and sickened by it.

925
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:35,650
That I just, I got the cold sweats. It
was terrible.

926
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:37,630
I had nightmares.

927
01:10:41,610 --> 01:10:45,830
I worked really hard to put him out of
my mind and go on with our lives, and we

928
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:51,350
were real successful on most levels with
that. But as the years passed by, he

929
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:54,030
kept intruding more and more on my
consciousness.

930
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:57,070
He was going to die.

931
01:10:57,330 --> 01:10:58,450
And here he was.

932
01:10:58,910 --> 01:11:04,210
He still was not explaining why he had
done these things or where the girls

933
01:11:04,210 --> 01:11:05,210
were.

934
01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:10,210
But I had so much emotion. I had to
express it somehow. Because if I didn't,

935
01:11:10,210 --> 01:11:12,050
was just going to explode into
fragments.

936
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:19,970
I felt like I still had some influence
on him. That maybe I could do something.

937
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:25,590
And the most effective way I thought I
could do that was to write to Ted.

938
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:33,020
And that's... what started as a series
of letters to him where I just went at

939
01:11:33,020 --> 01:11:38,140
him with what really was important to me
and what I felt like was important to a

940
01:11:38,140 --> 01:11:39,140
lot of people.

941
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:45,320
Did I think there was still hope for him
as a person for his soul?

942
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:46,540
I don't know.

943
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,360
I didn't really think so at that point.

944
01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:55,500
But if there was any of that old Ted
left, I thought at least I could appeal

945
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:56,500
him.

946
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,260
Ted, you would be benefiting mankind by
letting them understand better how a

947
01:12:01,260 --> 01:12:02,400
mind like yours works.

948
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,760
How do you justify murder?

949
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,860
I'd like to know what it was that made
you cross the line. It is time for you

950
01:12:09,860 --> 01:12:10,860
do this.

951
01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:12,240
No games.

952
01:12:12,820 --> 01:12:14,480
You cannot deny your guilt.

953
01:12:15,260 --> 01:12:16,740
Your cousin, Edna.

954
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,960
I had an amazing childhood.

955
01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:28,590
Grew up on the beach.

956
01:12:29,150 --> 01:12:31,730
We had a lot of bonfires. We played
volleyball.

957
01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:35,510
And my parents were amazing people.

958
01:12:35,730 --> 01:12:40,350
They were so warm and loving and funny,
and I'm an only child, so we spent, you

959
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:41,810
know, we were just like the three
musketeers.

960
01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:49,550
There was no indication that anything
was off until I got a little bit older.

961
01:12:52,170 --> 01:12:55,390
Maybe when I was eight, I saw...

962
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:01,260
a letter on the table, and it had this
sort of scrawling handwriting.

963
01:13:01,700 --> 01:13:06,120
And it was addressed to my mother, and
the return address just said, T.

964
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:07,500
Bundy.

965
01:13:08,380 --> 01:13:12,660
I started to go towards it. I don't know
what compelled me, but I wanted to

966
01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:13,619
touch it.

967
01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:19,520
And my mother saw me going towards it,
and she came over and she snatched it

968
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,300
said, don't ever touch that, don't ever
touch that. And she was always such a

969
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:27,900
calm person that that, Totally upset me
and startled me. I didn't know what that

970
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:29,740
meant. I didn't know why. She didn't
tell me why.

971
01:13:32,860 --> 01:13:38,780
The feeling that you have when you want
to protect your child from the evil in

972
01:13:38,780 --> 01:13:40,440
the world is so overwhelming.

973
01:13:41,980 --> 01:13:48,380
When he was approaching the death
penalty and the letters had arrived, I

974
01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:51,640
kept her from touching them. I didn't
want her to know anything about them.

975
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,560
He was full of questions, but...

976
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:57,570
I was unapproachable when it came to
talking about him.

977
01:13:59,150 --> 01:14:03,330
This was the second letter I wrote Ted
after I got no response to the first

978
01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:04,390
letter I sent him.

979
01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:07,130
June 10, 1986.

980
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:11,510
Dear Ted, It's important for me to
encourage you to make one of the most

981
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:12,990
important decisions of your life.

982
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:18,050
Ted, you have a date with the
executioner. You are going to die.

983
01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:21,610
But one thing you can do is tell people
why you did it.

984
01:14:21,970 --> 01:14:27,800
Tell people, Ted, why you murdered their
daughters, and where you left their

985
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:28,800
bodies.

986
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,320
I was hoping I would have some influence
on him.

987
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,940
Maybe this would get him media coverage,
which he seemed to love.

988
01:14:38,260 --> 01:14:44,380
But it certainly would make a difference
to the families if he would

989
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:50,600
come clean and tell where he left their
loved ones and say why.

990
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:57,240
They're really emotional letters. She's
telling him, I loved you like a brother.

991
01:14:57,420 --> 01:15:01,060
How could you do something like this to
those women and children?

992
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:07,920
She doesn't get a response for a while.
In fact, she writes him a few times, and

993
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:14,880
it isn't until after Ted gets a stay of
execution that he finally responds to

994
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,300
her and writes back.

995
01:15:17,980 --> 01:15:20,560
This is dated November 13, 1986.

996
01:15:21,770 --> 01:15:27,130
Dear Edna, I take full responsibility
for all that I have done. I have no

997
01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:28,130
problem with that.

998
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:32,690
Yes, and I agree that we must learn from
what has occurred in the so -called

999
01:15:32,690 --> 01:15:33,810
past. It's essential.

1000
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:37,450
The way I see it, that's the true value
of reviewing the past.

1001
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:41,330
To learn from it. To grow. To change. To
be transformed.

1002
01:15:42,910 --> 01:15:46,170
I am not the fond memories you have of
your cousin, Ted.

1003
01:15:46,710 --> 01:15:49,630
Just as you are not my equally fond
memories of you.

1004
01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:52,880
I am just as I am, here and now.

1005
01:15:54,900 --> 01:16:00,680
He never answered my questions. He never
owned up to what he had done.

1006
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:06,120
In fact, in one point he quotes a
section out of the Bible.

1007
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:09,600
And this for all those who mourn.

1008
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,220
Let the dead bury the dead.

1009
01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:17,020
For he is not a God of the dead, but of
the living.

1010
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,020
For all live unto him.

1011
01:16:20,650 --> 01:16:27,490
That's pretty callous. But to me, what
it shows is this inability of his to

1012
01:16:27,490 --> 01:16:30,830
with the things that he'd done in the
past.

1013
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:37,150
He very successfully built this wall
between his public persona and what he

1014
01:16:37,150 --> 01:16:42,350
calls this narrow sliver of his
personality, which is the one who did

1015
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:43,350
these horrible things.

1016
01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:48,950
And this wall is so important to him
because it's the way that he continues

1017
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:49,950
live his life.

1018
01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:54,340
I have no guilt, remorse, or regret over
anything I have done.

1019
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:56,360
What's done is done.

1020
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:03,420
Watch yourself, quiet yourself, love
yourself, and there's nothing you will

1021
01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:04,420
know.

1022
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,560
Even now, as I read it, I just scoff at
it.

1023
01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:18,760
It just amazes me that anybody can be
that cavalier about what they've done.

1024
01:17:20,170 --> 01:17:22,470
He says that he has no regrets.

1025
01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:25,830
None at all? You don't regret anything?

1026
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:28,930
All of us have regrets. You have none?

1027
01:17:35,290 --> 01:17:39,310
Ted's putting it back on her that you
don't understand.

1028
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:45,310
And you're part of the problem? He was
not thinking that Edna would be

1029
01:17:45,310 --> 01:17:48,770
in any way from his situation.

1030
01:17:49,870 --> 01:17:51,190
It was about Ted.

1031
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:56,070
We exchanged about six, seven letters.

1032
01:17:56,750 --> 01:18:00,430
Our correspondence ended with a
Christmas card that he sent me.

1033
01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:06,010
Dear Edna and Don, much has happened
over the years to separate us, but that

1034
01:18:06,010 --> 01:18:07,730
does not affect the love I have for you.

1035
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:09,410
Have a great Christmas.

1036
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:11,070
Peace.

1037
01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:12,410
Ted.

1038
01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:15,750
I did not follow up.

1039
01:18:16,770 --> 01:18:18,670
At that point, I just couldn't.

1040
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,100
write him anymore.

1041
01:18:21,180 --> 01:18:26,400
You know, I thought maybe that
affectionate relationship we had as big

1042
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,360
little cousin would count for something.

1043
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:34,700
But he was too used to avoiding the
truth.

1044
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:41,380
It wasn't until the last hours before
his death that he finally started

1045
01:18:41,380 --> 01:18:42,900
confessing.

1046
01:18:45,130 --> 01:18:48,650
I'm here at Florida State Prison with
Mr. Ted Bundy.

1047
01:18:49,670 --> 01:18:52,710
Hard to know where to begin.

1048
01:18:53,730 --> 01:18:57,990
Well, you've been involved in how many
homicides?

1049
01:18:58,930 --> 01:19:01,570
Well, that's a big word.

1050
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:12,030
How many homicides?

1051
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,520
We came up with 30.

1052
01:19:16,060 --> 01:19:23,060
California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho,
Utah, Colorado, and Florida

1053
01:19:23,060 --> 01:19:28,220
between 1973 and 1978.

1054
01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:35,680
In a couple of the cases, you opted to
sever the heads from the victims.

1055
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:38,520
How many were there, do you recall, of
the 30?

1056
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:40,680
Perhaps half of us.

1057
01:19:45,710 --> 01:19:50,810
It was obvious that he was holding out
for the last possible moment to see if

1058
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:55,090
would get a stay of execution, and that
was his leverage, confessing to these

1059
01:19:55,090 --> 01:19:56,090
murders.

1060
01:19:56,590 --> 01:20:01,430
But the show was over. He no longer had
control of the situation.

1061
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:04,690
He played us to the very end.

1062
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:11,650
This morning, just after sunrise, the
man suspected of brutally killing 36

1063
01:20:11,650 --> 01:20:14,310
met the long, drawn -out demands of
justice.

1064
01:20:18,510 --> 01:20:24,370
Ted's final words when he was on his way
to the execution chamber were, give my

1065
01:20:24,370 --> 01:20:26,830
love to my family and my friends.

1066
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:29,470
And that was it.

1067
01:20:29,670 --> 01:20:35,270
When I heard that, it was just... It

1068
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:39,990
was a very difficult moment.

1069
01:20:42,810 --> 01:20:43,950
You know, just...

1070
01:20:44,910 --> 01:20:51,050
I was very sad about how this person who
had so much potential completely went

1071
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:52,050
off the rails.

1072
01:20:54,690 --> 01:20:58,590
He got executed very early in the
morning on West Coast time.

1073
01:20:59,670 --> 01:21:01,310
And I couldn't watch it.

1074
01:21:01,610 --> 01:21:08,050
So I went down and walked along the
beach and just sat on a rock and

1075
01:21:08,050 --> 01:21:11,990
thought about how good life really is.

1076
01:21:12,730 --> 01:21:13,850
And I thought, okay.

1077
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,820
It's done. Now we can put him behind us
and move forward.

1078
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:22,320
But it's a lot simpler to say that than
to do it.

1079
01:21:23,860 --> 01:21:30,080
He kept surfacing throughout my life. It
was unavoidable because he's an icon of

1080
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,220
sorts, you know, a touchpoint.

1081
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:41,820
It wasn't really until we were taking a
walk during COVID that my mom said,

1082
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,900
I think I have to tell my story. He's
been controlling me from the grave.

1083
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,780
And I said, how can I help?

1084
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,080
She said, well, I don't know what to do.
How do we tell this story?

1085
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:02,460
I decided to start off by writing a book
about it and by extension doing this

1086
01:22:02,460 --> 01:22:08,160
documentary because I thought I had
something to share with people about how

1087
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,060
important it is to...

1088
01:22:10,730 --> 01:22:11,730
Talk about things.

1089
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:16,990
I kept all that trauma inside of me.

1090
01:22:17,790 --> 01:22:20,070
I should have gotten professional help.

1091
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:22,250
Trauma needs to be released.

1092
01:22:22,710 --> 01:22:28,650
And that is one of the big lessons that
I've learned is how damaging it can be

1093
01:22:28,650 --> 01:22:30,250
if you don't get it out of your system.

1094
01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:38,130
The courage it's taken for her to face
this was...

1095
01:22:38,590 --> 01:22:40,950
So moving and impressive to me.

1096
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:47,610
And I've now seen how much it's cleansed
her, how she's been able to let go of

1097
01:22:47,610 --> 01:22:53,250
the power he has had over her. And now
it's like, F you to him. She's really

1098
01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:55,410
been able to let it go.

1099
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:03,350
Recently, I had a dream about Ted.

1100
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:06,590
We were kids.

1101
01:23:07,230 --> 01:23:11,870
My brother John, Ted, and me were down
at the water's edge, and we were all

1102
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:16,690
running in the water and laughing and
splashing each other.

1103
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:22,510
And it was one of those beautiful days
where the water just glistened. And then

1104
01:23:22,510 --> 01:23:27,030
Ted became very intent on finding
something in particular.

1105
01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:33,290
And pretty soon, John says, oh, I think
he's looking for a stone. So we start

1106
01:23:33,290 --> 01:23:34,350
looking at the stones.

1107
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,340
And saying, well, is this the right
stone or is that the right stone?

1108
01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:46,000
As we're searching, the tide is coming
in and it's splashing at our feet.

1109
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:51,160
And so we feel a sense of urgency and we
know that the time is running out.

1110
01:23:52,180 --> 01:23:57,920
Finally, John stops and he looks at me
and he says, oh, I know what stone it

1111
01:23:59,020 --> 01:24:00,080
It's his headstone.

1112
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,220
And then I woke up.

1113
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:13,480
And the more I thought about it, I
thought, okay, we're putting Ted to

1114
01:24:13,980 --> 01:24:14,980
This is it.

1115
01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:16,660
Ted is dead.

1116
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,620
And I've never dreamt about him again.

1117
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:30,000
Dear Edna, The first and most important
thing we can do for someone

1118
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,220
is to love them unconditionally.

1119
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:40,670
I love you not because of the good
memories or despite the bad, but because

1120
01:24:40,670 --> 01:24:41,670
are you.

1121
01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:47,030
I hope that someday you can feel the
same way toward me.

1122
01:24:48,450 --> 01:24:49,450
There is a way.

1123
01:24:52,030 --> 01:24:54,390
And the light of love reveals it to us.

1124
01:24:55,170 --> 01:24:56,170
Be good.

1125
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:57,830
I love you.

1126
01:24:58,450 --> 01:24:59,450
Tet.